I Can’t Believe I’m Defending Jeff Kent
By Billy Campione
Yesterday, Gary did his usual bang up job analyzing Jeff Kent’s chances of making the Hall of Fame. I am usually hesitant to go against him, because, well, he’s smarter than me. But I feel strongly enough about one of his major points to write a rebuttal.
Superior offensive production at positions not noted for that quality most definitely is a reason for increased Hall of Fame consideration. Second base has not become “the new shortstop” where there are numerous superior hitters all over both leagues. Second base joins catcher and centerfielder as positions where players who outshine their peers offensively deserve to be given greater consideration.
Let’s take a look at some of Kent’s contemporaries and a few who came before him. Below is a sampling of All Star second basemen since the mid 1980s. Kent outperforms all of them by wide margins (although I recognize and Gary insists that Utley may indeed be better than them all).
|
NAME |
AVG |
OBP |
SLG |
HR |
RBI |
RUNS |
SB |
AWARD |
|
Willie Randolph |
.276 |
.373 |
.351 |
54 |
687 |
1,239 |
271 |
|
|
Lou Whitaker |
.276 |
.363 |
.426 |
244 |
1084 |
1,386 |
143 |
ROY |
|
Carlos Baerga |
.291 |
.332 |
.423 |
134 |
774 |
731 |
59 |
|
|
Chuck Knoblauch |
.289 |
.378 |
.406 |
98 |
615 |
1,132 |
407 |
ROY |
|
Brett Boone |
.266 |
.325 |
.442 |
252 |
1,021 |
927 |
94 |
|
|
Ray Durham |
.277 |
.352 |
.436 |
192 |
875 |
1,249 |
273 |
|
|
Brian Roberts |
.284 |
.385 |
.416 |
61 |
354 |
619 |
226 |
|
|
Chase Utley |
.298 |
.375 |
.526 |
130 |
492 |
490 |
60 |
|
|
Jeff Kent |
.290 |
.356 |
.500 |
377 |
1,518 |
1,320 |
94 |
MVP |
Kent’s only competition among his peers is a Hall of Famer and two future Hall of Famers who are better all around players. Ask yourself: their stats are so close, are Kent’s drawbacks that significant to keep him out of the Hall?
|
NAME |
AVG |
OBP |
SLG |
HR |
RBI |
RUNS |
SB |
AWARD |
|
Ryne Sandberg |
.285 |
.344 |
.452 |
282 |
1,061 |
1,318 |
344 |
MVP |
|
Roberto Alomar |
.300 |
.371 |
.443 |
210 |
1,134 |
1,508 |
474 |
|
|
Craig Biggio |
.281 |
.363 |
.433 |
291 |
1,175 |
1,844 |
414 |
|
|
Jeff Kent |
.290 |
.356 |
.500 |
377 |
1,518 |
1,320 |
94 |
MVP |
Giving preference to good hitters at traditionally poor hitting positions does not indicate that the position’s value is less than another. It merely indicates that due to the physical demands of the position a certain type of player is required to play there, and that player is usually a subpar hitter. That’s why Biggio was moved from behind the plate. That’s why big guys who catch usually hit for lower averages. That’s why fast guys play centerfield and don’t hit many home runs. It’s truly an anomaly when a player at these positions goes beyond what is required and expected of those who play there. It’s why Jorge Posada got a huge contract after batting .338 in 2007. It’s why Ken Griffey, Jr. is considered one of the best players in the world after hitting 600 homers. And it’s one of the reasons why Jeff Kent deserves to be in the Hall of Fame at some point during his eligibility.
Kent’s inferior defense at second has been cited as another reason to exclude him from immortality. Players who excel defensively at their position (unlike Kent) will hang their hat on their prowess and their supporters will use defense as a reason for their inclusion in Cooperstown. For example, Don Mattingly and Keith Hernandez have long been debated as players whose superior defense at first base would be one of the arguments in their favor. But most agree that their offensive numbers are not enough for their defense to put them over the top.
Kent was a monster at the plate for a second baseman. His stats compare favorably with the best of his peers and he dwarfs anyone in the next level down. He may be in purgatory as hitters go, but players must be judged by comparing the performance of their peers at their position during their time. Sandberg waited three years, Alomar and Biggio will likely wait less. Kent’s time should come, too.



Comments
By Gary Armida on January 23rd, 2009 at 12:04 am
You make a great argument. Great job. To be continued…Sunday Night during ourBlogtalkradio show at 11:00 PM (Shameless plug).
By Rudy on January 23rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
I don’t like this argument. I will agree that catcher deserves different consideration since it’s a very different position than any other and defense is very important there. Centerfield is a grey area. Speed and defense is important but then wouldn’t the stolen bases statistics or on base percentage be factored in their favour? It still compares to the corner OF positions.
But second base should not be separated from SS. It’s not a tougher position to play. It’s easier! If you have two middle infielders, you put the good one at SS and the one with less range and a weaker arm at 2B. Why does the crappier player get the benefit of the doubt when looking at Hall Statistics?
Every SS could have played 2B without a problem. That’s why second basemen should NOT be separated from the SS comparisons imo.
By Rudy on January 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I should add that Kent’s numbers are pretty darn good. Even comparing them to shortstops would probably get him in. His relationship to the media might be his biggest stumbling block.
By Gary Sr on January 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Wow, I didn’t realize Kent had better numbers than Sandberg. I agree with you; Kent was clearly a dominating power hitter at his position throughout his career. Like I said yesterday Kent is the type of player that I could see going in and I’d be fine with it or he could not get in and I wouldn’t feel he was snubbed.
By arthur on March 1st, 2009 at 1:38 am
KENT SHOULD MAKE IT AT ANY POSITION,HE GOT STUCK IN A LOUSY MET ORGANIZATION FOR 5 YEARS. hE HAS HAD MORE CLUTCH HITS,EVEN LAST YEAR THEN ANY PLAYER i HAVE SEEN. A 40YEAR OLD HITTING -400 IN aUGUST LAST YEAR-COME ON. NAME A SECOND BASEMEN WITH A STRONGER ARM. IN HIS THIRTIES HIS FIELDING STATS ARE BETTER THAN MOST HOFERS PLUS HE WAS A SUPERIOIR DEFENSIVE FIRST BASEMEN.HE IHAS MOR IMPRESSIVE STATS THAN mANTLE OTHER THAN HRS. hE IS IN THE TOP 50 ALLTIME IN MANY OFFENSIVE CATEGORIES. lEAVE HIM OUT AND YOU MUST REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE HALL BY 70 %.
By arthur on March 1st, 2009 at 2:04 am
just a note he is 21 in doubles,48th in rbis ‘32 in extra bases,top 50 in sac flys and hbp,68th in hrs. a .290 lifetime average,1300 dps turned and 9 error in over 700 chances at candlestick-the toughest ballpark to field in. He could have dhed in al this year to pad his stats to make pass the greatest hitters in the game but he gave his all last year’ Before the Dodgers got Manny he was doing his best tokeep the team together.I was a big met fan when he came up and he was good but the Mets were such a lost organization he slipped thru the cracks. I got to see him play at Shea last year and he still made some incredible plays. At 6′2″ he did alot more in the air and stetching at 2nd base than people who aren,t fans. Plus I met him several times and hes a very nice fellow-just serious about playing ball.
By arthur on March 1st, 2009 at 2:26 am
Why is Kent a weak fielder. He has a better fielding percentage than over half the second basemen in the hall.
kENT HAS A BETTER FIELDIND PERCENTAGE THAN OVER HALF THE HOF SECOND BASEMEN.
his arm made double plays more possible than many of the young second basemen like Utley today. Utley is awfully good but he has 10 more years to do it and Kent at 40 had a better second half last year than Utley. If Kent didn’t have to play without Manny and several other key allstar trades he may not have broken down and got his wORLD sERIES.Kent is the Kurt Warner of baseball. NOT A BIG PROSPECT BUT MAYBE THE BEST TO EVER PLAY THE POSITION.
By arthur on March 1st, 2009 at 2:44 am
oNE MORE-JUST IMAGINE kENT’S STATS IF HE PLAYED IN THE HIGN GRASS AT wRIGLY WITH THE WIND BLOWING OUT. i REALLY LIKED RYNO BUT COMPARING THE IS UNFAIR TO sANDBERG. kENT WAS TWICE THE PLAYER AND aLOMAR SPIT IN AN UMPIRES FACE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. aSK YOURSELF-WHEN jEFF PLAYED WITH hOUSTON HE WAS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER THAN cRAIG.kENT NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE-HE WAS GREAT FOR 10 YEARS AND ONLY 5 ALL STAR APPEARANCES???????????
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